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The North South Divide

Posted in Week 1 on December 14, 2007 by abradbury

I think that the divide between north and south on our campus is very prevalent. In the architechture alone the divide is visble. When walking through north campus there a lots of trees and open space, the buildings are mostly a quant brick or have a modern art type feel. South campus is a world of grey cement, tangled buildings and a general feeling of impending doom. Can you tell that I’m a north campus major? But I believe many south campus majors have the same feelings about their territory that I do, even if they don’t know it. South campus majors enjoy the perks of classes where there is no room for creativity, you either understand or you don’t. My south campus friends are generally constantly stressed and all seem to believe that they are inevitably going to fail. But that doesn’t stop us from being friends, I’ve just learned to keep my distance around midterms and finals week. I once brought one of my south campus friends with me to pick up something from the theater department and upon seeing the rolling hills of the sculpture garden she had to stand for a minute rather dumbstruck and asked “Is this still on campus?”
So essentially, The north south divide does not stop us from socializing, networking, or any other such ing. The difference is in the attitude.


Response to first reading

Posted in Week 1 on December 4, 2007 by ava3

When making a comparison, the best way is through analogies. This allows the reading audience to connect on a personal level where a subject that they understand is referenced. “Bridging the gap” between the world of art and science is this type of analogy. I found it clever to make a pun on the association of a bridge with art and science. In the literal sense, a bridge requires artists to design and create the architecture of the bridge, yet at the same time math and science are necessary to calculate the orientation, shape, and size of the bridge. This statement opened my eyes to see art and science are combined around the world in everyday life, and how people lose sight of the relation by thinking to literal. The analogy made is trying to get people to realize this gap between art and science is not so significant, and should not be. What distinguishes art from science, when the two were once on entity?The new theory of conception is the third world technology. Rather than trying to recombine art and science, the third world already exists. New technologies require computers to design and cultivate programs and systems, but computer graphic designers need to know the mathematical based schematics in order to design. So where does the boundary lie? I believe the third world is the new force of art and science for the future.

Self-imposed Divide [alon_nachshon]

Posted in Week 1 on October 9, 2007 by nachshonalon

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This 2 culture debate is very new to me. I have heard nothing of it before DESMA 9. At first I thought that this class would teach me how to expand my science skills by incorporating art ones and how to think more creatively when looking into the processes of life. But as the debate goes on, I begin to realize that art and science are already much incorporated in the modern day. For example, science supports art in the chemical production of paints, technology supports art in the fascinating new era of computer art, and art supports science because the future and past of science have relied on creative thinking and the arts are what expand the scientist’s mind to think more creatively.

One may argue that there is a gap between Science, Art, and Technology which is evident in the divide between the north and south campus. It is true that science majors stay south and art majors stay north, but those that argue that there is a mental, social, and/or education divide have failed to see that this divide is self-imposed. I am a chemical engineer major but I have chosen to take art classes. My roommate is working his way towards film school and he is taking a pre-med class on medicine and AIDS. The fact that most my classes are science based is for the convenience of meeting the requirements to get a job after college. But simply living on such a widely diverse and eclectic campus has provided me with many ways to expand my mind toward the arts. The clubs on campus are infinite; there are shows, conventions, meetings, and parties where I can gain insight into the diversity of this world.

Not Two Cultures-Kelly Sechler

Posted in Week 1 on October 9, 2007 by kellysechler

I do not see UCLA as separated into two cultures of North and South campus. On the contrary, I feel that students at UCLA are unusually eclectic and that the school has put many systems in place to keep students well-rounded. One of the things that I feel keeps students from separating into two cultures is that UCLA has rejected the idea of conservatory majors, which seams to be an unusual choice for a school well known for its art and theater students. This forces every student, even actors and musical theater majors, to sample classes from a wide range of fields at UCLA. Not only does this provide for an education outside ones chosen field but it also makes it easier for students to make friends from all walks of life at UCLA. In addition, more and more minors are being offered at the school every day. This allows students to branch out and study something that their interested in but might not necessarily relate to their career path. For example, a minor in theater was recently made available, which allows anyone at UCLA to further explore the arts. (For more information see: Some colleges are quite different from this. At UCLA I meet new people from outside my major every day but when I spent a semester at Carnegie Mellon I went the entire time without meeting a single person from outside my major. They even purposely roomed students from the same major together in the dorms .

Another way that UCLA keeps its students from dividing into North and South is all the extracurricular activities offered on campus. When walking down Bruinwalk no one cares what you major is, they just want you to get involved. UCLA offers everything from dance groups to an Ayn Rand club where anyone is welcome. There are even sports teams open to everyone, even if you have no athletic experience, such as women’s rugby. For many students at UCLA what they study falls secondary to what they do in their spare time. They become defined by their, frat, club, or sport and not by their major.

Lastly, I pull from my own experience to know that many of the stereotypes of what makes a North or South campus student are incorrect. As a theater major I fall into what is considered North campus. When I tell people I am a theater major they tend to jump to the assumption that I spend my days performing and analyzing scripts. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am a designer at the theater school and most of my time is spent working on computers. This quarter the two classes I am taking for my major are a computer drafting class and a programming class. In fact, my major is actually a lot more similar to engineering than most people realize. I feel that I am a perfect example of why UCLA can not be neatly split into two groups.

Two Cultures-Van Huynh

Posted in Week 1 on October 9, 2007 by vhuynh

As a first year, I have not yet completely gotten the full experience of the differences of the two cultures on campus: north and south, but I have noticed several qualities that upperclassmen have told me and that I have distinguished.

Walking to class through South campus, I noticed the silent and cold stares given by students with noses glued to their books. Through North campus, I saw peers conversing and laughing with one another, while some are purchasing artwork and posters of famous musical performers on the street. Trodding through Bruinwalk, I saw people wearing shirts noting: North Campus or South Campus.

The characteristics are obvious: South campus students seem to be quiet, anti-social, and studious whereas North campus students are friendly, social, outgoing, artistic, and creative. However, these characteristics only hurt us by making stereotypical judgements and generalizations on people. If this is the case, the division of students will not only occur on campus, but may lead to more serious cases: into the real world.

The generalizations and stereotypes should not occur because we are now in college, and we should be more mature, wiser, and intelligent, but we continue to divide ourselves. I have observed the negative results of distinguishing art and science as north and south campus. Unfortunately, degradation and disrespect is the result of differing majors and interests.

After reading Professor Vesna’s: “Toward a Third Culture: Being in between” and Lana Yoo’s: “Campus’s north-south division just a way to pigeonhole passions,” I can honestly say that there are two cultures on campus.

Yoo demonstrates her generalizations and stereotypes of North and South campus, which have led her to believe that she would not excel or do well in certain subjects because North is supposed to be for “literary humanties” and South for “the sciences.” She notes the dangers of such generalizations which have withheld her from partaking in certain subjects.

Both Vesna and Yoo’s articles note the disadvantages of labling and only limiting oneself to one or the other: literary arts or science. Yoo notes that “North Campus was a culture shock,” having indulged herself only in the sciences and dreading the arts involving literary texts and papers. Vesna describes the unwanted need for some who believe communication between the arts and sciences is unnecessary.

Personally, this is a bias and naive matter. Ignorance only leads to a divided world and if people don’t take advantage of the knowledge between different subjects, it will only hurt them in the end. Like Yoo, who felt unaccustomed to North campus subjects, knowledge, and discipline, artists and scientists will feel the same whenever encountering one another on a regular day basis.

However, the world is completely changing every day. Technological advances are occuring and artists are using scientific approaches to create art. Like UCLA, it will be a culture shock for contemporary artists who encounter artists and scientists who are narrow-minded to their works of art.

In juxtaposition, both articles examine the negligence of a better understanding of both cultures-art vs. science, north campus vs. south campus and really opens our eyes to what prohibitions we allow ourselves to endure. If we continue to divide ourselves in this manner, we will not gain a holistic quality, the goal UCLA ultimately aims to achieve for students, just as if scientists and artists do not bridge the gap to bring respect to modern art.

North vs. South Stereotypes – Carlos Chorro

Posted in Week 1 on October 8, 2007 by cchorro

Right off the bat incoming UCLA freshmen are introduced to the north and south campus geographic division. It’s just easier to think of it that way. But with this separation of campuses comes judgment and stereotypes, stemming solely from passion for learning different subjects. My college life so far is revolved about different areas, experiences and cultures coming together and exposing and understanding different lifestyles and attitudes: Nor Cal vs. So Cal, Greek life vs. Non Greek life, On-campus housing vs. Off-Campus housing and now North campus vs. South Campus in correlation with Scientists vs. Artists. I have experienced all of the above first hand and I must say I can’t help but think some of the stereotypes Professor Vesna mentioned in class are seen here at UCLA constantly but who can blame me?

Last year, my Hedrick roommate, who continues to be my roommate this year in the apartments, spent one night a week writing 10 page papers and reading articles. My work consisted of 20 math physics and computer science problems a week for which I had to do everyday throughout the week. This being my first writing assignment ever in college I find myself struggling coming up with the right words and spending way more time then my roommate ever would writing this amount. As I sit in front of my computer contemplating what I have to study after writing this, Math or physics, he sits on the couch blaring loud music and playing video games with his north campus friends. With all this distraction aside I still manage even though I have an 8 am class tomorrow morning.

I find the stereotype of north campus being easier then south campus easy to point out but I definitely do not necessarily find it true. I know writing essays under pressure would be equivalent if not harder to my two midterms and final every quarter. Pick your poison.

Another stereotype mentioned in class that is present in my everyday life is the issue of gender. My math and physics classes are dominated with males with the occasional female sprinkled in.

The point is, stereotypes aside, Scientists and Artists are all individuals and shouldn’t be looked at any other way. Even though the separation causes rivalries and stereotypes the fact of the matter is, down the line we will all have to work together at some point. Society is always changing and this separation is slowing it down:

“Stereotypes and technical differences aside, it’s easy to forget in the campus’ polarized atmospheres that society today depends on merging liberal arts ideas and the sciences to thrive.”*

Why can’t we work together and aim perfect more then one subject at the same time? Is that too hard in this day and age? Does striving to know both take away from the perfection and mastering of both? I believe we must be going in that direction because one person can only go so far. Maybe we are on our way to a third culture but who knows? Once we ignore the stereotypes and learn to combine forces I believe the third culture is attainable. But that’s only the first step. Can we make it?


Two Cultures (Marco Anzures)

Posted in Week 1 on October 8, 2007 by manzures

I would have to say that after a year at UCLA I do see a divide of some sort on campus. Historically speaking there has always been the North and South campus divide between the Humanities and Sciences. Time has established a sort of rivalry between the two, and as a consequence, certain stereotypes and distinct attributes have been given to either side. North campus students are a little more liberal, progressive and for lack of a better term “artsy.” While their South campus counterparts are more straight-edge, concrete, and measured. Just in the few days that we have had this class it has become evident that many students, whether they are strictly from south or north campus, have never taken a course in either discipline. This only highlights the gap between the arts and sciences and stresses the importance in introducing students to the “third culture” of integrated art and science.
Although there is a divide it is evident that strides are being made to integrate the sciences and arts. There has been an increase in classes, like this one, that strive to teach the inherent connection between the arts and the sciences. It may not be so apparent to outside viewers and even to scientists and artists but the arts and sciences have always been related, and it is in the best interest of technological and artistic development to focus on this connection.