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Posted in Week 8 on December 14, 2007 by abradbury

Truth is a tricky subject to discuss. I think the real breakdown we need to see is the difference between personal truth and absolute truth. Personal truth is what you as an individual believe to be true. Absolute truth is what is really real. Let’s say a man yells at his wife for leaving the garage door open. The man believes that his wife purposefully left the door open because she has a total disregard for his things that are in the garage. This is his personal truth. The wife believes that she closed the garage door and that the man opened again just to have something to yell at her about. This is her personal truth. The absolute truth is that their son left the garage door open when he took his bike out. So there are three different truths here, all of which conflict, but also all of which are true. Let’s get everyone riled up and bring religion into it. For example, Christians believe there is one true God who is the creator and ruler of all things. For a Christian who believes in the Christian philosophy this is true. This is their personal truth. Atheists believe there is no God, evolution is rational, and every man is only accountable to himself for his own actions. This is his personal truth. Both of these views are the truth, but that does not make either one True. No one can prove the absolute truth in this situation. If atheists are right then a lot of people wasted a lot of time. If Christians are right, then a lot of people are really fucked.


I was entirely conscious for the entire lecture… it grabbed my attention (at last)

Posted in Week 8 on December 4, 2007 by ava3

At the age of 18, most people don’t have the capability and mature mind to have contemplated and have found purpose in life. As a child you are programmed. As a teen your hormones rage, and you just try to get by through the melodrama of high school, best friends, clicks, high school boyfriends/girlfriends, switching best friends daily, the pressures of drugs and drinking, wanting to be more mature and an adult only to realize in the end you wish you could have been a kid your whole life. Peter Pan had the right idea, wouldn’t you say?

Talk about imagination being endless. But the truth is, that’s no way to live. As a kid, you will never find love. [I have studied and dissected the TRUE story of Peter Pan over a period of months for an analytical research]. Peter Pan’s shadow represents his consciousness. The shadow expresses the surface of what he is feeling, his mischievous side. So what is it in OUR bodies that make us control our normal animalistic and instinctive qualities? In truth, Peter Pan is one of the most complex and emotional stories. No I do not mean the cartoon Disney version, because it represents nothing about what Peter Pan is meant to express. J.M. Barrie was a tortured soul, lonely, lost for love. Until he finds four boys in a family with a widowed mother. His inspiration for the character of Peter Pan came directly from one of the boys, of which he admittedly stated to the public and the boy. What people do not know is this Peter Pan WAS real, Peter Llewelyn Davies, and his story perpetuated the idea of Peter Pan. A tortured soul with no parents (for they had both died by the time he was ten), torn in life to find love, family, and overcome his family’s sickness and brother’s suicide. The REAL Peter committed suicide when he was 63, having lived a despairing life. The character of Peter Pan is like any human, wanting power, dominance, to defeat the “bad guys” in our life. Pirates area representation of all adults, a loss of love, lost hope, and constantly trying to escaping the never ending ticking clock, that life and time is passing us all by. In reality, everyone in Never Land is lost, and unsure of their purpose in life, trying to escape the world and its reality, not wanting to face real problems. Why be like the Darsley’s, living poor without enough money to have a nanny that they have a dog, unable to pay bills, unsuccessful in life. The character of Captain hook and Wendy, John, and Michael’s father is played by the same character for symbolic reasons. All adults are alike, though both contrast in character, both ultimately face the same issues.

Another complex story Disney turned giddy is Alice in Wonderland. Do not get me wrong, I love Disney, and wish it was real. But that’s the idea….this is why TV exists, to take us out of our real life and try to find some enjoyment in the possibility of fiction. Luis Carol was a petefile and drug addict. The true story/novel of “Alice in Wonderland” is written in fragments, and a stream of consciousness, The story is a drug trip, the reason being because Luis Carol was on acid and L.S.D. while writing the story. Based on the Victorian era, where five year old children were taught to act 30, there was a paradym complex in establishing what was just, moral, and proper for what age. Luis had an obsession with a little girl who lived down the street, and fantasized about her. This novel reveals his obsession, and goes off on a rant of a girl “going down the rabbit hole,” a spinning tunnel of confusion, in a world where everything is distorted. All she wants to do is get out. Luis Carol wanted to escape his life and obsession, but also escape the reality of the world by doing drugs.

So what truly is consciousness? How much are you conscious of as a child? On drugs? After tragedy? “A diamond has many different facids, one triangle is your truth, but there are many different facids, and they all reflect on each other. You can decide to have a limited point of view and see which you accept. But the truth is all are correct in different perspective.

Are we completely aware and present 100% of the time? Your mind is partially here…and somewhere else….and partially asleep.

“It’s really critical to think about consciousness.”

“You can actually address things that used to be considered cooky.”

“When you say god what do you mean?”

“What are you imagining when you say God?” – “Again, religion.”

 My reaction: Please explain cancer….is it a decision by God or something scientific or something random?

 From the movie “The Santa Clause” : Just because you’ve never seen a million dollars, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. – Santa Clause, we believe, our imagination wants us to create a purpose and meaning.

 Some stimulus that creates a random thought…..

Evolution > progressive. We make connections and try to link animals with one another, even though there are so many gaps. We will never be able to PROVE evolution because we can no longer find the ancestors that have died out. So is it random?

 Sense of power shift. Why do people attack? To start war, and challenge authority and power. Ex) pearl harbor — > See, it is something we CHOOSE to see in WHY it happened

“Are you trying to say that truth is relative?”

“I believe truth is absolute, in the sense you can’t say there is no such thing as gravity. Just because someone says ‘gravity doesn’t exist’ doesn’t mean it doesn’t. That is a truth of OUR reality.”

“Yes, but absolute truth changes.”

Religious people annoy me. THEY are the ones not open to others ideas. You believe it, so it’s true for you.-what I believe might not be the truth.-Just because everyone in the world believes something, doesn’t make it true. – A truth can’t change. Which truth? Any truth. Unless the object changes Our perception changing doesn’t change the color of an apple.

If everyone were colorblind, then – then our perception would all be wrong-But that’s what everyone can see. ***What if we ARE wrong, and the apple isn’t red. It is what is NORMAL. What is normal is what the MAJORITY does. Red is a perception humans have created. WE named it red.  Giraffe might see it as the human perception of blue. So are we right and Giraffe’s wrong? How will we ever know if we are right? What IS the ABSOLUTE truth then. What if there is an ultimate truth? We can NEVER truly know. So then, the TRUTH IS ALWAYS changing. SO in a sense, both can be happening at the same time.

Forrest Gump – Mama always said everyone has their destiny and needs to find it. Lt. Dan says everything is just accidental, we are all occurring like a breeze. So which is it? Maybe it’s a little of both?


‘Nothing really happens, unless you see it without the observer, it doesn’t happen.’ What about if a tree falls, and no one’s around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Perception has a lot to do with everything.

late but sorry jack kutilek

Posted in Uncategorized, Week 8 on November 26, 2007 by jkutilek

well uh so i realize i forgot to write this blog by sunday midnight. lets begin.
when i think last week i remember that discussion we had where everyone argued back and forth about whether religion was right or not. it all seemed like a waste of time. one person would say “hey i think there is no coincidence because of religion.” then someone else would say “yo that doesn’t make any sense”. reading over other blogs reminds me about whether something is actually true. and i also thought there was not really any reason to argue about it, but maybe thats because when you raised the question i immediately had what seemed like the entire argument inside my head already and came to agree with what victoria said at the end of the class, about how it all depends on your definition of what the truth is. there didn’t seem like much to argue about to me. maybe i was still mad about the religion argument, i don’t know, but it seemed like it turned into another I’m right because of what i believe versus I’m right because of what i believe. let me try to concise my statement. the discussions we had seemed to be driven by beliefs of life that couldn’t be changed. it was an argument that could have just been a statement of different outlooks, like a lecture. like hey some people believe this but other people believe this now go think about it and write about it in your blogs. i am just talking but that is my feelings on the discussion.
anyways lets look into some interesting things. as i browsed the internet for some art related to memory or consciousness, i was reminded of salvador dali’s dream caused by the flight of a bee around a pomegranate. i remember reading about how it addresses a persons interaction with the world while dreaming, which has always been a subject that interested me, and seemed to connect because it seems to be about consciousness. except it is consciousness while dreaming. i looked over the internet but it is difficult to find anything on this more than that dali was agreeing with Freud’s theory. however i did find a link to very long paper about consciousness and freud’ theory and it is too much for me to comprehend. here it is:
heres the painting its pretty good:

What is Truth?

Posted in Week 8 on November 26, 2007 by danaharris1

Last week’s discussion on truth and perception was very intriguing. The whole idea behind what truth is, and what truth means is extremely interesting to me. I made a short film centered around this idea two years ago. Basically, how much of what we believe to be the truth is based on our individual perceptions. Clearly our own opinions alter our ideas of what is true, and going further with that idea—who is to say that we all see things the same way. What if our literal perception—that is to say, what we physically see, differs from person to person. This can easily be manifested in our ideas of ourselves, and those around us. For instance, what if I see myself in an entirely different way than you or anyone else sees me. What if our own ideas about ourselves and our world are projected onto how we define the world around us and thus, our own beliefs as to what we know is true, are altered by our own background, beliefs and generally speaking, our out look on the world.

Realistically, there’s not a specific way to determine what is indeed true. As far as I’m concerned the “truth” can change based on whom you talk to. Looking to religion as an example—you can ask anyone who truly believes in their religious faith, and they will tell you that it is indeed a truth, and though other theories may be interesting, they personally believe what they have been taught to believe is the truth.

This concept in and of itself may be one of the most interesting ones any of us will ever encounter. It calls into play so many different aspects of society and culture as well as various backgrounds of study. We’ve all seen or read the scientists debate with the religious leaders who argue that evolution is nothing more than a theory, and that man was directly created by god. And, these debates are only a surface introduction to the various “truths” that are debatable based on individual belief and perception.

Needless to say, last Monday’s discussion was an extraordinarily interesting one to hear, and I think that it’s great to be in a class where such “touchy” topics are debated and questioned.

Religion, Memory, Truth – Adam Molinaro

Posted in Week 8 on November 26, 2007 by adammolinaro34

I don’t particularly have a strong background of knowledge when it comes to religion so my input on religion isn’t too specific. Both of my parents were raised with influences of Catholicism from their respected parents. After my parents became adults they haven’t necessarily practiced traditional Catholic traditions. My parents have not influenced my personal views on religion during my upbringings. In my short life, I haven’t found any single religion or religions that I could follow cut and dry. I think that it is strongly due to the fact that I didn’t have any direct religious influences from my parents.

I think that no single person or group of peoples has the authority, intuition, or experience of life to say if one religion is right, or wrong. I think that as long as someone looks into the topic of religion with an open mind they can only decide for themselves what they think is right, wrong, or the truth. In short, I think that people that are close minded when it comes to religion are ultimately wrong.

Memory and Truth is another crazy subject to talk about. Memory is defined as an organism’s ability to store, retain, and subsequently retrieve information. Memory is broken down into three subgroups: sensory, short term and long term. The movie The Manchurian Candidate explores the alteration of memory through technology and brainwashing. The movie is particularly interesting because of of the individuals who was brainwashed (Denzel) was able to see past the fake memory implanted into his brain, while another subject was completely oblivious to the alteration (until the hero Denzel came to the rescue…) Thinking about the way our brain stores information is crazy. After learning how a electrical computer stores information in computer science classes, I think the brain is amazing.

Truth, Religion and Memory – Carlos Chorro

Posted in Week 8 on November 26, 2007 by cchorro

The truth is…I must admit i did not attend lecture on monday due to various reasons, it seems as if i missed out on one of the most powerful, entertaining, and insightful lectures so far judging by what I’ve heard from peers and reading the blogs.  Apparently there was some heated discussions on the following topics: Truth religion and Memory. Although all these topics are all really interesting to me and i have strong opinions on all of them, (and i wish i had attended the lecture to hear everyone else’s arguments) i feel i would be one of the people just observing and listening because i like to hear what other people have to say about these issues.

Another topic that i wish i had gotten to hear about in class is the thought of “perception” and the story of the colorblind person describing an apple’s color. I bring this conversation up because it affects me directly and i feel i could’ve have been able to put in some input. There have been many times when ive been looking at clothes, pictures, paintings and would have to ask my friends what colors  they are because I am slightly color blind. But when i say the purple shoes look dark blue, Who can truthfully say i am wrong?? If i say i see dark blue am i wrong because everyone else sees purple. When looking at life in this manner of perception, The saying “who knows” is the only truth. There is no truth in anything in this case because everything is seen from a different perspective. We can only establish some commonalities between us because our senses tell us we all hear and see the same thing. I just thought this would’ve have been a good conversation starter and im truly sorry i couldn’t be there.

I  also would have liked to touch on the issue of religion, or at least heard a few other peoples opinions. Growing up i never really went to church even though both sides of my family heavily practiced their respective religions. Although I’d like to say i have a strong background in religion because I’ve seen it and it runs in the family, i truly can’t say that i have experienced enough and been through enough to create an argument.

Memory is another subject I never really thought about until now. The thought of changing the truth due to what one wants to store in there memory of a particular moment still betides me. It comes back to the idea of perspective and two people trying to tell the same story from what they remember. Obviously the stories are not going to be exactly the same just because of point of view but is it possible for two people to have the exact same memory? I always try to think back on childhood memories but i tend to not be able to find the words to describe them exept that i know it was fun. My memory tells me that i had a good childhood but how could i actually confirm it. How can anyone know? Truth is you cant.

Week 8- Tiffany Leung

Posted in Week 8 on November 26, 2007 by tiffleung

The debate we had in lecture was an eye-opener to me in the sense that I had not really thought all that much about the concept of Absolute Truth and the extent to which some people choose to live their lives by it. I have never been a very religious person. I think mostly because of the fact that, in my family, I am part of the first generation of American-born kids, so a lot of the culture from the generation above us got lost in translation. I do however, have cousins who are devout Christians and have a very exact way of seeing the world, so I’ve always known about different religions (my parents are Buddhist). While I was growing up, it always seemed like many of my friends in school had mostly all at least believed in God, and I saw it sometimes good and sometimes bad that I did not. But I came to appreciate that my views were not set for me as a child because I have been able to have a very open mind about different people’s perspective on life and especially religion. To be honest, I really don’t have a set interpretation of my morals and values, but I know that there are opinions that I definitely DO NOT agree with. I really do agree with the view that there is no Absolute Truth, because I feel that if there were, then so many people in the world would have to be “wrong” in the way that they live their life, and  I feel like the biggest question to the “Absolute Truth” dilemma is WHAT view is the right way of living? Who is to say one belief is inferior to another? I think that my classmates made really good comments about their beliefs about this subject and it added much more effect to the lecture because we could see from a room of people that there are plenty of different points of view as well.  The subject of fate being one of the major topics of debate brought out the passion that some people share and some people really clash on.  I think that the future will never see a cooperative world where everybody is tolerant of everybody’s points of view.  There are too many closed minds and too many passionate people with VERY distinct beliefs. This may very well not be such a bad thing when considering things like civil rights. If everyone had the same view, say that we all believed slavery wasn’t bad, then there would be a whole population of very severly oppressed people in the world, where nobody would oppose of it.  I think the biggest problem that arises because of societies having such opposite views all the time is when we have a Global crisis like Global Warming, which affects the whole of humanity and not too much is going on to alleviate the issue because we are still debating whether or not this ‘crisis’ is even a crisis. a video on YouTube that really got a lot of controversy points this problem out:

Most Terrifying Video You’ll Ever See